Magic dan Master Magic didelete 1 Jan 2013

[Ardianto Satriawan]

Pertimbangan:

Dear Board and delegates,

We would like to suggest that Rubik's Magic and Master Magic be removed as WCA official events, as we do not believe they fit the standards of the WCA.

There are several reasons, but the main reason is that the judging of these events is so difficult and inaccurate that we can't trust that the official results were all judged correctly, especially now that many solves take less than a second.

While holding the Magic events at competitions in Germany and the US, we've been more and more careful that only "good" judges have been judging these events--for example, in the Northeast US, only Tim, Bob Burton, Kian Barry, and Jaclyn Sawler judge the Magic events.  If we allow other competitors to judge these events, they are often not experienced enough to tell when a competitor stops the timer incorrectly since it happens too quickly.  Even with these precautions, we cannot assure that all of the official solves are judged correctly, and even when we judge the solves ourselves, we are often unsure about whether a solve was correct or not.  We have also seen that in many competitions, many competitors are judging the Magic events regardless of how experienced they are at judging.  While participating in competitions where this happens, we have seen many cases where solves are judged incorrectly, and solves which should be penalties or DNFs are approved.

We realize that the starting and stopping procedures for the Magic events are the same as in most other events, but as we all know, it is much more difficult to judge in the Magic events because of how fast the solves are.  Also, the starting and stopping procedure is a much more significant part of the solve in these events.

Competitors often argue that the Magic events can be done in competitions very quickly.  However, we claim that this is usually only the case when there is not much attention paid to the judging.  This implies that magic is either held incorrectly or difficult for organizers to hold.

Apart from the starting and stopping procedure, there have been issues judging Magic in the past--for example, in the Magic Open in France, the Magic event was made unofficial as was discussed at http://worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=970.  Reading through this incident we think that is very likely that this kind of incident has happened before without being brought up to the delegate and the WCA Board.

Besides the procedure of the event, we also want to bring up the ideological point that many cubers bring up regularly: we don't think that it meets the standards set by the other events.  All other events require being able to solve a puzzle from an arbitrary position, while the Magic events do not.  Many cubers like to distinguish speedsolving from "mindless" things like Speedstacking; however, this event is no more complicated than cup stacking.

We think that we are in a good position to suggest this, as we are both very familiar with the events and have competed many times with good results.  Our opinions about the events have evolved after organizing and attending many competitions with the events, and realizing the difficulty of holding the events well.  Our conclusion is that it would be beneficial for the WCA to remove these events.

We'd like other WCA Delegates to join in this discussion.  If you are in favor of keeping these events, please let us know and suggest how to improve the current situation.

Regards,

Tim Reynolds, WCA Delegate for the US
Sébastien Auroux, WCA Delegate for Germany

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Pendapat para delegate:

Kebanyakan setuju, hampir tidak ada yang bilang tidak setuju

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Kesimpulan dari WCA board:

Given that all the delegates seem to be on the same page here, I propose the following:

1.  Stop holding Magic and Master Magic, remove Magic and Master Magic from the regulations by January 1, 2013.

Note on this, if the regulations committee doesn't do this in time, we will have effectively done this by not holding Magic or Master Magic at any more competitions.

2.  Make the announcement that Magic and Master Magic will be phased about by 2013.

3.  Reduce the number of tournaments that hold Magic or Master Magic from now until 2013.  As in, let's not announce any more competitions.  And I'd like all the delegates to review any outstanding competitions, and remove Magic and Master Magic if possible.  I personally will remove it from WC 2013 right now.

If there are any strong objections, please voice them.

 

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[Stephen]

wah magices di remove :O gw sih setuju2 aja berhubung magic itu pola mainnya sama terus dan bosenin buat gw wkwkwk :p bener juga sih gampang dikibulin resultnya kalo kompetisi -_-

[The Legend Of Aang]

hooh gak ada skipnya lagi -_-
JK

[Riadi Arsandi]

cuma 1 yg kurang setuju.. delegate dr china. haha
aku jg sgt setuju, ini saja aku kurang percaya sm hasil NR magic yg terjadi di celebes, soalnya aku ga liat.

[Allam Cuber]

saya juga setuju.

[Forever Alone]

setuju, entah kenapa magic itu kurang menantang menurut gw, dan kalo bener diremove, semoga ada puzzle yang masuk official comp, kayak void atau 360

[Mew]

setau gw dua puzzle itu gak pernah di discuss buat dijadiin official, yang pernah di discuss buat jadi official cuma skewb

cmiiw delegates

Forever Alone said:

setuju, entah kenapa magic itu kurang menantang menurut gw, dan kalo bener diremove, semoga ada puzzle yang masuk official comp, kayak void atau 360

[Ardianto Satriawan]

Sebenernya saya agak kecewa sih sama ini,

Taulah, 2 ini salah satu event favorit saya.

Tapi, kalau liat solve yang sangat-sangat cepat, judgingnya juga sulit, ada beberapa result yang kadang-kadang kita nggak liat terus tau-tau 0.82, adalah sangat-sangat bijaksana untuk meremove event ini.

Kalau memang mau ada magic, mending kita buat database sendiri, nggak di WCA untuk di Indonesia.

[Bimo Aryo Tyasono]

Jadi kalau yang resultnya cuma magic/master magic aja gimana? WCA profilenya jadi kosong gitu?

[Derpabner]

tetap ada aja di kompetisi-kompetisi di Indo, tapi dijadiin unofficial khusus buat magic+mmagic. gitu aja kali ya, jadi peserta yg cuma ngincer magic+mmagic tetep mau dateng kompetisi.. jadiin record sendiri ntar, unofficial NR

[Ardianto Satriawan]

btw ini belum final loh keputusannya..

[Kaitou Kid™]

yap...

setuju di remove...

melihat ke kompetisi yang sudah berjalan, siapapun bebas jadi judge yang bisa jadi kurang pengalaman judging event magic+mmagic.. tapi kalau mengandalkan beberapa orang saja utk judgin, bisa menghambat jalannya kompetisi juga...

btw btw btw, apakah nantinya bila keputusan udah final bakal di remove dari event official, apakah akan di remove juga dari wca profile masing2???

kan lumayan ada history "NR" nya di proffile.. :P

[Leah Dizon]

Bad News di pagi hari,,
T.T

mewakili para magician..
tolong jangan di hapus,,
1. banyak yang bilang kalo ini puzzle yang g menantang, terlalu gampang. padahal menurut gw ini puzzle yang paling susah dan paling menantang (karena gw melihatnya dari sisi waktu),, bahkan buat nurunin 0,05 detik aja butuh waktu berbulan..

2. g mungkin juga gw menghabiskan sisa hidup tanpa somay,,, >,br/>